56 Comments

  1. David Marrero
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:18 am

    I consider myself a conservative, but for pragmatic reasons I favor liberal leaders in this day and age.

    • DAYBROK3
      December 5, 2018 @ 11:13 am

      ihave35cents great for comics, great for the rich, great for racists, not so good for the national parks, not so good for the debt, not so good for the country on the international stage, not so good for children (even yours).

    • azmildman
      December 5, 2018 @ 11:13 am

      I am old enough to remember that there were racists, liberals, and conservatives in both parties up until LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the voting rights act, all the racists and stupid people jumped to the Republicans who were dying on the vine and they welcomed them with the Southern Strategy and letting donors run their votes.

  2. Wackka Wack
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:18 am

    It all started when they accepted the TEA party into their fold and never held right wing conspiracy loonies to account such as Alex Jones, Rush and Kelly Ann.

  3. Rapacious Interloper
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:18 am

    So Pence is soon getting indicted for his crimes with Flynn. Then, sometime in February, Mueller is going to expose Trump’s teen beauty pageant for the obvious se. X trafficking ring that it was, giving Republicans no option but impeachment. We then have President Pelosi before the 4th of July. What a world.

    • Rapacious Interloper
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:47 am

      When it happens, I will think about you and have a good belly-laugh. lololololol+Quiet Entropy

    • Quiet Entropy
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:52 am

      +Rapacious Interloper SO where is the beef? Or are you just giving us a veggie-burger?

  4. Somme Tinonme
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:19 am

    I am Progressive not conservative and I can agree with most of what Joe believes. There was a time when it was not an “us verses them” rhetoric.

    • Reasonably Reasonable
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:26 am

      It’s always been us vs them, but more and more we view the opposing party as morally deficient. What happens when that perceived moral deficiency is traced to ideologies? We will essentially create a new religion, outlawing free thinking.

  5. David J
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:21 am

    Conservatism is rooted in the past; it is hidebound, dogmatic, intellectually incurious, unwilling to explore and examine differing viewpoints, and completely, often rabidly dismissive of evidence to the contrary of its beliefs and core principles. “Conservative” people tend to be adamantly, willfully, often venomously ignorant of the truth, because the truth offends them. They seem to be hard-wired into this obstinacy, to the point of pathological obsession. This is why repubicans are simply incapable of governing, because Republicans aren’t interested in governing, they want to rule, and there’s a big difference between the two. In the Trump era, Ruling and authoritarianism, lies at the heart of what conservatism is today.

    • Quiet Entropy
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:42 am

      Your definition applies well to the gerontocracy that runs the Democratic Party. The blue wave was in spite of them. It was the Democratic voters that were driving that.

    • truth troll
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:43 am

      There are conservative democrats and independents, conservatism in itself is not a bad thing. But when it becomes dogmatic and is combined with fear mongering and racism you wind up with today’s Repugnicant party.

    • Hue Man
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:46 am

      David J your comments renew my faith in humanity. So many people come on here and spew word vomit. This is refreshing.

  6. progressive southerner
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:23 am

    I dunno what I am to be honest. I’m for free college, universal healthcare, but I’m pro life, pro coal, small government, etc

    • BXGUY73
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:32 am

      if you are “pro coal” then you need to get out of the “dark ages.”

    • Gr8 Incarnate
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:33 am

      +Dymone Or how about just focus on resolving issues rather than identifying yourself as “so and so” and “such and such”. When you label yourself, you’re dividing yourself.

    • truth troll
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:52 am

      Being pro-life and pro-coal seems to be at odds with each other. Why save babies to torture them by slow asphyxiation?

  7. Mike Raby
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:23 am

    It is a pipe dream,it means you are uneducated,racist,welfare cheats,no morals,you are a graduate of a trumpfff universitass like college with a GED diploma.

  8. absolutless
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:24 am

    The only thing conservatives agree on now is “entitlement” reform, aka, taking tax assistance away from those who need it in order to give it to massive corporations. There is nothing noble about conservatism, which will be remembered primarily as a cover for the treason of the greed.

  9. Patricia Elliott
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:27 am

    I dont think Trump has made things tit for tat… trans actionable…
    I think Mitch McConnell HAS DONE THAT!!! Trump is not smart enough to make those kinds of deals… but Mitch lives to be that slimy

  10. Louise Reay
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:27 am

    Some concepts I don’t see as belonging to either liberal or conservative philosophies. There are a lot of things I disagree with conservatives on. I’m very much in favour of a universal safety net for all citizens of America, in particular, universal healthcare that is free at the point of delivery. Help for those people in obsoleted industries like coal to move into growth areas like renewables. I’m absolutely fine saying that the policies I would like to see will see a significant raise in the level of taxation and that I want to see a serious effort to increase social mobility and to redress the levels of wealth inequality.

    But where we absolutely agree is that budgets should be balanced, national debt needs to be controlled and brought down. In 2015, America spend over twice as much on interest payments on the national debt as on education and that is getting worse year on year. The gulf war was a disaster for national finances, Obama’s fiscal stimulus was significant in building debt, but by the end of Obama’s presidency, the deficit was below 2007 and still falling. That’s gone out the window in 2018, with the deficit doubling to a trillion dollars.

    I don’t see that there’s a way out of this now that is not very painful to the wallets of millions of American citizens and corporations. But unless it is brought back into control, the only other option will be to inflate out of the position which will wreck the USA’s international standing.

  11. absolutless
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:27 am

    They’re right, if you still believe massive corporate tax cuts are more important than helping poor families afford health-care and protecting the earth, then you’re still a conservative in my book.

    • Quiet Entropy
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:47 am

      Actually those corporate tax cuts are a form of welfare, so that could be construed as liberalism for them.

  12. phillip st
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:29 am

    whatever…nixon, reagon, bush1 and2 were all big daddies to the gop…. practiced like a cult

  13. MissaRosa
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:29 am

    Where’s the family dog?! I thought it was a tradition that all presidents have one?!

  14. David J
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:32 am

    If you want to know what it means to be a conservative in the Trump era, just pay close attention to any Trump rally. His rallies all look like a throwback to 3rd world banana republics of the 70s, where demagogues are worshipped by their cultish followers.
    Trump is a classic demagogue in every sense of the word. His demagoguery is associated with dictators, and it appeals to the worst nature of people. Demagoguery isn’t based on reason, issues, and doing the right thing; it’s based on stirring up fear and hatred to control people.

    “Donald Trump’s presidency has raised a question that many of us never thought we’d be asking: Is our democracy in danger? Harvard professors Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt have spent more than twenty years studying the breakdown of democracies in Europe and Latin America, and they believe the answer is yes. Democracy no longer ends with a bang—in a revolution or military coup—but with a whimper: the slow, steady weakening of critical institutions, such as the judiciary and the press, and the gradual erosion of long-standing political norms. The good news is that there are several exit ramps on the road to authoritarianism. The bad news is that, by electing Trump, we have already passed the first one.”

  15. truth troll
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:34 am

    I made this very point last night, to still identify as republican is to put party before country. You can have the same conservative values as an independent voter. Let the republican ranks dwindle to reflect the true numbers of the alt-right because in the general consensus that’s what republicans are now.

  16. Lord Luke Lightbringer
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:35 am

    Conservatism under President Obama was much do you hate Obama.

    Conservatism under President Trump is how much do you love Trump.

    • Quiet Entropy
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:54 am

      Obama was, and is Bush#3. He carried much of what George W did forward, including renewing the Patriot Act.

    • Rafael Gonzalez
      December 5, 2018 @ 10:56 am

      +Quiet Entropy Very good point. Renewed the bush tax cuts as well. But ya know, he was immediately seen a boogeyman because lord knows we can’t have a liberal, black president. What if Obama was a conservative?

  17. John Do
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:35 am

    I takes a treason, nothing less. 45 has expressed numerous times how he admires dictators and dictatorships. 45 has workd hard to weaken hes supporters loyalty to democracy and the constitution. He considers fascism as strong leading. He is fundamentally, morally and mentally unfit to serve hes country.

  18. Zephnia Mukwa
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:35 am

    Here is the proper definition of CONSERVATIVE in the Oxford English Dictionary: conservative means opposed to great social change and preferring traditional values. the meaning of LIBERAL on the other hand is : willing to understand and respect other people’s views. From this definition who is pretty modern to the 21st century ???

  19. chimpakawanzelu
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:35 am

    Reagan was a POS and was the genesis of all of our problems today. Joe, you are obsolete.

  20. Radwulf Eboraci
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:38 am

    In the age of Trump, what does ‘entitlement reform’ mean to Joe? Sincerely hope it’s not the Mitch McConnell version.

  21. Maharajji NKB
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:40 am

    We are long past political labels…conservative – liberal, Republican – Democrat. We fight entrenched corruption. Mika and Joe? Whether by ignorance or by malice, they continue to project inverted narratives. Fake news – The enemy of the people.

  22. Wado Waleli
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:45 am

    American Conservatives today are reactionary, but that’s about it. They’re not Conservative in the traditional sense, and as Trump has demonstrated, they’re anything but fiscally Conservative, since the deficits haven’t been reduced and the national debt has exploded just to fuel major tax cuts to the rich. Macron in France is a Conservative, but Trump would call him a Clinton Democrat if he were an American. Let’s see, just where does fact-denial, traitorous double-dealing, policies based on xenophobia and white supremacy and government-aided factionalism take you? Well, under Trump, a one-percenter, initially it could take you to a kind plutocracy, and that’s if you’re stretching it a bit, but obviously Trump is taking us to a more disordered form of government that we will probably end up calling a kleptocracy, which is basically a government run by a criminal elite that makes all the rules and enforces them with an authoritarian hand. Russia is a well-known example of a kleptocracy. We’d better think again if we really want Mr. Trump to tear down all our democratic institutions and replace them with authoritative enclaves of unqualified vice-dictators whose jobs are to undermine the very purpose of a whole range of public protections and services. Mr. Trump has already put this effort into effect. Just look at what he’s done already in staffing many bureaus, agencies and commissions. Yep, kleptocrat it is for Mr. Trump. Google kleptocracy to learn more.

  23. THE HOLY SPIRIT
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:45 am

    What does it mean to be married to a transgender morelike..trumps a tranny lover

  24. Professor
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:47 am

    Point of clarification: meat cleaver, not meat axe. I yield back the remainder of my time.

  25. azmildman
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:49 am

    Being Conservative means you are rooted in old mythology. Modern conservatives are just stupid people who excuse their stupidity through calling themselves conservative. They don’t want to progress. You have been the party of Big Daddy and Barack Obama said, “Yes we can”, not “I am the one to save you” which is Trumpism. The conservative Grifter Movement is your voters, not you politicians. They will turn a blind eye to murder for tax cuts. Michael Steele wants to distance himself from the party in the age of Trump but they Republican Party has been fostering and cultivating racism and cutting the government in pieces with a meat axe, which is part and parcel resentment’s sake.

  26. John Preston
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:52 am

    conservative now means…
    Russian operative…
    and there is a big orange one in the white house…

  27. CMM
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:53 am

    good to “feel” that the conversation is already indicating what to do after the WH Nazi will leave the WH before his time is due.

  28. CMM
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:54 am

    In the meantime, the WH Nazi wasted millions of $ of the taxpayers for his own benefit and no one speaks about this

  29. Lord Rosemary
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:55 am

    Giving huge taxes cuts to the rich that blows up the deficit is not Trumpism, its conservativism. Reagan blow up the deficit.

  30. Bete Noire
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:58 am

    Kindly refrain from labeling Trump a Democrat. He was never a Democrat. He’s been a Trumpist since he squeezed out of his mother.

  31. oli godendrocyte
    December 5, 2018 @ 10:59 am

    it means you have an unfounded fact pool to draw from. the party isnt founded on any legitimate principles just short term gains for those with power… fiscal responsibility is a farce

  32. live2groove
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:02 am

    Conservativism became nothing but giving the rich huge tax cuts, deregulating anything that got in their way of making an extra buck by unethical means and allowing them to buy legislation that lets them hoard all of the wealth. All the other values they talk about are just lies to get people to vote for them.

  33. Trigger Warning
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:03 am

    😂😂😂 I cant… this is too much… do people even watch this crap and take these morons seriously? There has to be someone behind the scenes pulling the strings.

  34. Tim Bingen
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:03 am

    Both liberal and conservative views are necessary in our country to maintain a healthy balance in legislation. Neither represents all people. We are a diverse country. I remember real conservatives. You could actually discuss something with them without being called a derogatory name. Compromise was possible. You knew where they stood and they could intelligently debate. There are not many of you left, or too many are not speaking out. Republicans now follow a cult of personality. ( a sick personality)
    It will cost them. Moderates of both parties are needed to marginalize the effect of the radical fringes.

  35. azmildman
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:05 am

    conservatism
    [kuh n-sur-vuh-tiz-uh m]
    noun
    the disposition to preserve or restore what is established and traditional and to limit change.

    liberal
    [lib-er-uhl, lib-ruhl]
    adjective
    favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.
    noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
    of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual
    and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.

  36. AJ Beamish
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:07 am

    What Does It Mean To Be FASCIST In The President Donald Trump Era?
    There, fixed it for ya. YOU’RE WELCOME.

  37. Idylchatter
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:07 am

    Looking forward to the “Ex Apprentice President” filmed on the set of Orange Is The New Black.

  38. Hoog Moog
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:07 am

    Try hard… push hard… But at the end you can never change the will of the people. Your years of effort will surely be in vain. You are truly enemy of the people. The main story should be Rosenstein talking about secretly recording the president? Comey leaking of classified memo? Hillary missing emails and destroying of evidence after receiving subpoena? Fusion GPS? God knows the truth so nothing will happen to Trump. You can’t bring down America.

  39. azmildman
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:08 am

    Ronald Reagan said one thing and did another. You were enthused by riches. Trump merely started saying what he means instead of lying about it like previous Republicans did.

  40. She's my President
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:08 am

    What does it mean to BE an MSNBC paid commenter ?? MSNBC paid commenters are paid to create a false consensus against TRUMP and pro nationakist policies that directly benefit COMMUNIST CHINA!!!!!!!! MSNBC hates YOU!!!!!!!

  41. truth troll
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:09 am

    One has to wonder if we are not headed towards some kind of bizarre party realignment!

  42. BartJ583
    December 5, 2018 @ 11:10 am

    The word has no clear meaning in the U.S. anymore. When it comes to political views, Hillary Clinton is a conservative, but today’s reactionary GOP voters still claim that word for themselves.